At least that's what we called it in my time, while on the way to a little country in the middle of a sandbox. We drank ourselves stupid on RedStripe and Redhorse beers in Olongopo, trying to beat the embalmer. (yup, they use formaldehyde to preserve beer there. Leaves a lump in your gut the next couple of days that is pretty gross to deal with later.)
Tom has done a lot of legwork for us, even if it's "to drum up book sales", his Intel gathering is quite convincing. Purple Rhinoceros Alpha Two Six indeed. Go read, think about the three 'parties' he discusses, think about the fourth that is only occasionally allowing a ping or two to get out. Tom knows intel, his past is perfect for Intuitive deductions such as this. I trust his assessments.
Yes, there is a lot of shit going down, and its not always where we expect to see it. There is a huge disconnect with the majority of our society that only wants the coddling and toys. They could care two shits about our "liberties" so long as they can keep the Iphone/Android and the Xbox (or whatever the latest craze is)(and yes, I have an Iphone and would happily drop it in a river somewhere if I didn't need it for communications while a slave to the system right now. there will come a day, soon, soon.) Now, IMO, there is only one thing that would wake them up. Hunger. Ravenous, raging hunger. IF things continue along the path that they have chosen, this may be sooner than later. Again, go read the others for further insight. As it stands though, I think that around these parts, there won't be that issue. The gardens are far too abundant and scattered about. I chose a different route on my return trip today. Took a little 'country highway' through the hills. 80 miles of two lane twisty-curvies and in that 80 miles, I didn't go more than 1/2 mile between gardens. And those are just the ones on the sides of said road. There are probably more further back up in the hills (and some of those may not be edible but a higher value cash crop if you get my meaning.) The smallest I saw was probably 10'X30' Quite a few were probably closer to an acre. Think about that; roughly 160 VISIBLE gardens in an 80 mile stretch. There may only be 200-300 people living in that stretch. I can't quote actual figures, I doubt that the census bureau could either: People around these parts are still 'cautious' about strangers and talking too much, and with good reason.
I feel sorry for the first Ag Agent to start making a fuss about 'unlawful' gardens like they are pushing for. The term "Revenooers" is still common place around here. They don't chase the 'Shiners so much anymore, but there are other 'commodities' around here that have attracted their attention.(it doesn't all come from Mexico.)
Even though there is a serious crutch issue in this area with Welfare and the like: I still like the fact that people around here are STILL wary of strangers and especially so of anyone with a badge that isn't LOCAL. (and even the local boys are pushing through mud while doing their jobs.)
Yeah, when things get tough, this area always seems to pull right through. When things aren't so tough, they all seem to just 'keep on' as if nothing had changed. There is always an underground economy going on. Cash is king and if you have plastic, "wuzdat?".
And of course, the one item I saw today (in passing, not a lot of details and not that they actually matter any longer) was that Princess Nancy is calling for Wieners Resignation.
Yeah, lil miss know it all from the Bay area has a lot of room calling for that. Seeing as how she should be strung up of treason and inciting terrorist activity, I have a lot of faith. LOL NOT!
and on that note, Bed with me, one more run tomorrow then three days off. Maybe my head will be back in the game tomorrow.
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Tom is the real deal. I e-mailed him after reading "Starving The Monkeys" and he took the time to reply more than once. More than I can say for my (s)elected "representatives".
Tom spits at the Oath Keepers for bringing attention to the militarization and misuse of SWAT teams? What does he expect them to do, firebomb Dupnik's office? I don't know whether Tom is the real deal, or not, but he is sadly misinformed on the mission of Oath Keepers. Oath Keepers is purely educational, by necessity. It is a tactic, not an end unto itself. OK is the psyops element in a combined arms strategy. In a discussion of 4GW, you would think the 'real deal' could figure that out by himself. I guess another reason for the pointless, spiteful mention of Oath Keepers might have been an attempt to impress Pete? Either way, Tom degrades himself.
Oath Breakers are a joke. They pretend to stand up for the Constitution, yet they cower in front of the tyranny which has swept the nation, bending to unconstitutional "laws" and failing to do anything more than spew hot air. Tom is not misinformed, he has his finger squarely on the pulse of what's really going on.
Straight to name calling means you are out of facts. Oath Keepers does exactly what they say they will do. When Oath Keepers goes to Tucson and stands up for the Constitution, how is that pretending? That is called walking the talk.
A 4GW expert, who has his finger squarely on the pulse of what's really going on, should be able to see the genius of the Oath Keepers strategy. For every oathtaker, who awakens to their responsibility to the Constitution and their duty to refuse unconstitutional, therefore unlawful orders, the domestic enemies of the Constitution are reduced by two. Minus one for their side, plus one for our side. A plan worthy of Sun Tzu. It can only be carried out by an educational organization that ISN'T a militia type group. In fact, Oath Keepers was formed to carry out this tactic. If Oath Keepers becomes a militia, and proscribed by LEO and DoD, then we have become non mission capable.
What, exactly, is Tom's plan? Everybody on line and march on that den of vipers in DC? Even if that is Tom's master plan, what has he done to act on it? Slapping at Oath Keepers for actually doing what is in their mission statement is pointless, unless he is trying to distract from his failure to live up to his own hype.
The point is that oath breakers is NOT doing what they say they will. LEOs are still enforcing unconstitutional laws every day. The military is still fighting immoral and illegal wars. As far as the AZ thing goes, it's all hot air. If there were true Oath Keepers, those SWAT team thugs would be behind bars awaiting trial right now...
As to Tom's plan, read his book "Starving the Monkeys". He spells it out in excellent detail, and it has nothing to do with marching to DC. He's done plenty to act on his plan.
I did a lot of research in the OathKeepers. OK has a great idea to run with, I just don't see it being effective. I see a lot of hot air, just as Craig mentions and other than Stewart Rhodes, little to back it up. There may be a growing following but I can lay good odds that the OK members, when confronted by other LEO's that are not, will 'fall in line' with orders, not an Oath.
I am sure that there are good LEO's out there. The numbers are against them though.
Craig, your statements indicate that you don't have a clear understanding of what Oath Keepers is about. Oath Keepers is just one small part of a combined approach. Specifically, Oath Keepers states what they will NOT do.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/
If Oath Keepers is not doing something you think they SHOULD do, there is nothing stopping you from filling that void. Have at it, and God's speed.
Those oathtakers, who carry out unlawful orders, are NOT Oath Keepers. Why do you insist on lumping us all together? The Oath Keepers' strictly non-violent, strictly legal approach is frustrating to people itching to take up arms, but it is the one method, by which we can reach our target demographic.
Now for some simple 4GW math. Oath Keepers is not harming you, or your mission + Oath Keepers is reducing the forces arrayed against you = it makes no sense to go out of your way to assault an organization that is working towards a common goal. Please, point your guns back down range; you're spraying friendlies. What do you achieve by assaulting Oath Keepers?
Like I said before, Oath Keepers is not an end unto itself. It is a very specific tactic to be used until the fight has progressed beyond its ability to yield results. I expect that the Oath Keepers mission will eventually expire, but it is definitely not a waste of time. Our gains shape the battle to our advantage. I am a 3%er, in addition to being an Oath Keeper.
Diogenes,
Below, are two links describing what happens when individuals, backed by the Constitution and their Oath, stand up to unlawful orders. The numbers will always be against us, but that doesn't mean we have to lie down. "One man with courage is a majority"-TJ
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/01/28/officer-refused-order-to-push-christian-evangelists-off-public-college-campus/
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/05/17/breaking-news-oath-keepers-proves-that-there-were-troops-who-refused-to-confiscate-guns-during-katrina/
Oh, III%, even better. Look man, the system has FAILED. We are way beyond the tyranny of King George, and yet nothing happens. All I see are a bunch of keyboard commandos talking big, but doing nothing. Well I have done something. I ditched the mortgage. I have zero debts. I've prepped, and continue to do so as best I can. I work just enough to pay the bills, and keep my income tax liability at ZERO. I only buy what I need, and I buy used or online whenever possible. I am starving the monkeys, which is all I can do as an individual without getting the Jose Guerena treatment. In the mean time, I try to enlighten folks, and myself with my blog.
I was a charter member of Oath Keepers. And I let it lapse after their spineless refusal to attend the armed rally in Washington. I was a "threeper", but after so many years of so much hot air, I dropped that designation as well. Now I'm just a pissed off motherf*#*er sick and tired of watching a bunch of blowhards sit back on their haunches, continually re-drawing their "line in the sand". Well mine's been crossed a while ago, and I'll be damned if I'm re-drawing it. So when you get done screwing around and get serious, you let me know. And I ain't talkin' shoot 'em up war crap. We could drag all those CONgressional cockroaches out to the curb and simply spank them like the spoiled little brats they are. Now wouldn't that be a sight to behold...
And I was coming on to say "it ain't about III'pers or OK or any of that" but Craig beat me to it.
It all boils down to the guy in the mirror, either first thing in the morning or just before heading to bed.
THAT GUY IN THE MIRROR.
What are you doing? I have my directions laid out, but flexible enough that no matter what comes at us, short of Mamma Gaia getting here knickers in a wad, or some Loon with a launch code let fly; I can pull it off. Do you? I know Craig is close from reading his blog. CorbinKale on the other hand, I have no idea. All I know of you is what you have laid in comments. You seem to be of the right mindset, strength wise, but I have not seen any other indications.
But again, Its not about anyone/thing other than that guy you look at in the mirror EVERYDAY.
Sounds like we are all in the same position. I, too, have no mortgage, am debt free, prepped and already living at my 'bugout' with sustainable food, water and power. I agree that it is about the individual. That said, I have coordinated with the immediate neighbors, who could be awakened. The guy right across from me, after years of discussion and watching the situation deteriorate, says,"Well we just hope it won't happen". THAT'S his plan, just hope it won't happen. We are still friendly neighbors, and I don't bother him with reality, anymore. The seed is planted, and will grow in its own time. All of the other neighbors I approached were already thinking, or soon came onboard, looking for some guidance. One man can't hunt, farm, guard and sleep all by himself. For any type of sustainable life, it will take a community effort. There can be no prepared group without prepared individuals. It starts with, as you say, "that guy in the mirror".
As for the (not quite in Washington) armed walk in the park, and the reason that OK decided to cancel, I had just one observation. Why not do the armed march on the Capitol steps? I never did get an answer to that one. My conclusion was that it was a question of ideological purity, and no one wanted to look past their personal standards (or get in trouble with the government!). Anyone who wanted to go further than another was branded 'crazy', and anyone who didn't go as far as another was branded a 'fraud'. The march wasn't the ultimatum to DC, that many wanted, but it did have an effect. For that reason, it would be silly for me to denigrate it. I view Tom's swipe at Oath Keepers in the same light. Ultimately, such comments weaken us all. There is no benefit, or upside, it is a loser from any perspective. I suppose that human nature makes it irresistable, though. Trying to improve our own image, by tearing others down is a time-honored tradition in our species. Doesn't mean I have to like it, and I'll confront it when I see it.
My analogy to a combined arms approach, also, encompasses those who have given up on organizations. You are a definite factor, and hard for the domestic enemies of the Constitution to quantify. I like that, and have some of the same mindset. However, disparaging other groups, who have some of the same goals, is counter-productive. We have the same destination, we are just taking different paths. The various patriot movements are ALL beneficial, in that they cause a reaction, not to mention sensory overload, in the tyrannical state. I value them all, unless one part turns on another. In the end, it is the individual with a rifle, doing the best they know how. We have the same goals, so it is terribly frustrating for me to see folks attacking each other for not having a 'pure enough' ideology. It is just as ridiculous as the Reps vs Dems rivalry. I think we are smart enough to recognize that and rise above it.
Also, I would like to point out that we don't have to pidgeonhole ourselves. We can belong to more than one group and hold more than one thought in our minds. To box ourselves into one category, to the exclusion of all others, is an unnecessary self-limitation. I would never say that you are ineffective because you don't belong to Oath Keepers. That would be false, just as saying that Oath Keepers is ineffective because they don't take some action that is beyond the scope of the organization. Action, I might add, that would negate the Oath Keepers' mission effectivness. Becoming a proscribed group would make it impossible to reach active police and military. I support Oath Keepers, but if I feel the need to do something outside of the scope of the Oath Keepers' mission, I do it as an individual.
I read this blog because a mutual friend, Soffitrat, recommended it. What he is doing on a municipal level, I am doing in a rural area.
Corbin, My apologies to you if I struck a nerve, Soffitrat is good people and near as I can tell, pickier than I on his friends. If he calls you friend, I do as well.
I agree on the "griping". Tom took a swipe at OK and had his reasons. That was not why I posted that link. (note: it was never even mentioned while the Intel gathering was) I don't agree with them, but I don't denigrate them either. I do believe it is a launching point for Stewart's political career but that is a personal opinion, mentioned here only to enlighten you to my view on OK from one standpoint(but not all )
Tom B may be in a similar situation but I doubt it. He is a bookseller and Programer. Other than that, I doubt he has any loftier goals than 'getting through alive'. That is where I connect with him. You are quite correct in stating "One man can't hunt, farm, guard and sleep all by himself." We need community. I have made mention of it here also. I can do a lot by myself but I can't guard the chickens while wrapping coils for a generator or watching melt so that I don't boil off the sulfates. Hard to do much when you are staring at the backside of a mule or tiller while cutting in your garden. NO ONE PERSON is going to make it alone unless they are on foot and moving. And that opens up a whole different line of worries.
All in all, I did little to intervene in this 'discussion'. Glad I stayed aside. It opened up a point I wanted to make elsewhere. We expend far too much energy 'working on the details' while the walls aren't even built yet. This house can't stand until we have our foundation in place. All we have right now is a blueprint and not everyone agrees on the base measurements. Until that agreement is met, the PTB will always have firmer ground than us.
We have a long way to go to get to that point though.
Time is getting shorter.
Guess we will all see how it pans out, like it or not.
No apologies are warranted. We are just tossing ideas around. Thanks, for letting me use your space, btw.
Though, I don't publish a blog of my own, I use the blogger ID because anonymous posting undercuts any message.
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